Saved in the Very Act!


But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. Matt6:23-24


The professing church system is under Great Darkness they believe to be light. They say 'We see, but what is it they're seeing? They hear and won't DO, they profess to know God but in WORKS deny Him! being abominable, disobedient and Disqualified for every good work! That's why NOTHING is Pure to them, everything is defiled to the Core. They Trust in their Magic Cloak but their Sin remains! They say they See BUT: 'If you were blind you would have no sin, but now you SAY you ‘We See’ Therefore your sin remains! Jh9:41


Here's the main focus of your average Professed Christian today:
Go to church and hearing a message based on Jesus DOING it all in their place and Salvation is received by taking a stroll to the alter to 'repeat a magical prayer in a public confession they now believe in Jesus. Afterward they are baptized or re-baptized in many cases and become a member of the (brink & mortar) Church. (usually an incorporated 501) They then sign up for as many church groups, committees, activities their schedule can bear, (as a good supporter, tither of the church) They are brought into the collective conscienceless of Evangelical, Conservative Christianity, wrapped in the flag, equating God with Country, Just War and Pro-military. (although not all of them will vote strictly neo-con Republican) The preachers / pastors instruct them to vehemently support Israel, no matter of the obvious fraud and duplicity of the political leaders involved. Many of them will March against abortion, speak out against Gay Marriage and stand in favor of Christian schooling. They will conduct 'Purity balls' with their daughters, going through the motions of a commitment to remain pure until marriage, taking vows and wearing rings for their fathers. They listen to 'Christian radio and TV, see the latest 'Christian movies, 'Christianize their Sports idolatry, and various vain amusements conducted in the Name of Jesus. (rummage sales, dinners, clubs, field trips, etc) ALL this and more while at the same time going on, under their very noses an undertow of PURE FILTH is taking place in the shadows, kept Suppressed, that can only be described as the very DEPTHS of Satan! I paraphrase the Lord's own words:
'While you abound in charity, love and service, you excel in immorality and uncleanness beyond imaginations!


TRULY we should declare a State of Emergency in professing Christendom and Start Crying from the rooftops for a national Repentance on the scale of Nineveh! SOME in this System of filth even recognize this dilemma and have dedicated entire Web pages to exposing it and discussing solutions. BUT the same people who offer their 'learned opinions as to what should be done solve these problems, are the VERY ones who BROUGHT it about by what they preach as the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Here is a Classic example of the common issue we exposed years ago:
(Not only are they 'Saved in Sin, but in the VERY Act of it as well!)


The question was asked: 'Does a child molester have to stop molesting children in order to get saved?'   


The Summary answer we Received:
"Thank you for this email. Your inquiry regarding salvation and sexual abuse is a very complex question that does not have an easy answer.  First, let me tell you that I believe the Bible supports the idea that a person doesn’t really have to stop anything in order to get saved.  We are not saved by what we do, but we are saved by what Jesus Christ has already done for us. The Bible says we are justified with Him, by what we believe in our heart and confess with out mouth. (Romans 10: 9-10) The Bible also says that after we get saved we need to work out our Salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil 2:12)  Thus, when we get saved we need to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance, proving continued evidence of our Salvation. (Mt 3:8)

People get saved and still smoke, curse, lie, steal, have a drug and even sexual addiction problem, and commit adultery, etc. Through an ongoing relationship with Christ, we are eventually to work sin out of our lives, as the revelation of Jesus Christ increases inside us. The Holy Spirit helps us do this work. (Hebrews 4:12)  Sadly, even more tragically, people do get saved and continue the heinous activity of child molestation. I have know people listen to the Word, read the Word, pray the longest, and sing the loudest, and be active in and even faithful to their church  but never change. For some reason, unknown to me, they are capable of continuing in the sin of sexual abuse. I tell you in the area of sexual abuse it makes me wonder just how deceived these people are and, while I do not like to judge anyone, and while I know that Jesus Christ does forgive any sin, when people continue in this type of behavior, when people don’t come forward for help, I have to wonder if they even grasp the aspect or the purpose of their Salvation. While all sins can be forgiven,  this kind of sin must stop instantly in the life of a man made righteous by the blood of Jesus Christ.  Otherwise, I would question whether or not he is even saved, even though he (or she) may be smack-dab and serve as a minister in one of the best churches in America.  

I work extensively in situations related to all kinds sexual abuse, especially with victims.  I would advise you that if you know of a child who is being molested, you are mandated by the State to report it. If you need help, I can help you. Also know this, as a church, while we don’t condemn the sinner, we do not tolerate the excuse that a person “just can’t” stop their sexual abuse. The cost to the child is just to great. The last comment I will make is that if you know of someone active in a church that is involved in sexual sin  please
come talk to me. I am called to help in these situations. This has to stop. God has called me to be a safe place to fall." 

Sincerely, In Christ,  Elder Kaye Smith, Senior Counselor 


NOTICE first of all how this so-called Christian Counselor covers themselves from BOTH directions! The person doing these heinous acts 'may not be saved, BUT 'They have known people who DO get Saved and Continue doing these things! And who can JUDGE, Christ forgives ANY Sin! True enough, He does forgive any sin, BUT NOT while the person is STILL Committing it!!! Every explanation I read from one of these Pastor, Counselors, uses the same Cop-out. They cast doubt on the person's Salvation, then assure it in the NEXT breath. One Pastor who speaks sternly against these kind of horrible sins, with warnings, STILL covers himself by saying such things as: 'We can NEVER know when a person is Reprobate or has gone past the point of no return', In other words he's saying, they may be a 'Work in Progress' we dare not interfere with, because it's God who 'EFFECTS Repentance, not us. What's he saying --- 'That we must wait for God to bring about the conviction of repentance in this person, and PRAY for him in the meantime, while he's out there committing his horrible acts. So again, he may be just 'Claiming to be a Christian, or he may INDEED be one, but still struggling with his addictions. Just as quoted above, this abuse must STOP, but we can't 'Condemn the sinner, he needs our help; to put him in some 12 Step Program so he can learn to manage his addiction and eventually stop it. NOTHING about 'Such things Disqualifying the person from the Kingdom, nothing about departing from iniquity and coming clean with God in Repentance and Certainly nothing about PURGING out the filth before it infects the whole body and more children are ruined for life!

Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump 1Cor5:6-7


Paul went on to say that you do NOT even EAT with such a person (who professed to be a brother) who commits these kind of sins. They have Committed a Sin unto Death (1Jh5:16) Prayer is not what they need, in fact its useless! Just as the above 'Counseling is useless. They must be Confronted in their sin, given a Chance to Repent and make amends (go to jail in this case!) and if they persist, make more excuses, then EXPELLED from the body until they repent. Un-natural acts are all the PROOF you need to know if someone has gone REPROBATE, Rom1:24-27, how much more ROTTEN does their FRUIT have to get before the blinded and deceived Churches will say: Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. Mt12:33


What MORE Counseling or Program is required than the Imperative to: 'Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, (in your sins)  For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies, says the Lord God. Therefore turn and live! Ezk18:31-32


The Great delusion here is in what they PREACH! But they can't see it because they all LOVE to have it so! As long as everyone is being 'saved in the Very Act of sin' with no imperative to TURN from them any time soon, what else can we expect then a Church full of PURE FILTH. If God is going to 'Clean them up over time in a 'Sin-confess relationship that ALWAYS leads to more hardness and rebellion, they Supposedly HAVE Jesus, but STILL can't overcome their lust! So HOW can anyone FEAR the Warnings in Scripture, since the Pastors keep 'explaining them away and making excuses about 'sin natures and inability. The Counselor said clearly: 'People get saved all the time and still smoke, curse, lie, steal, have a drug habit, commit adultery and even retain their sexual addictions.' YET this is an outright denial of Scripture that says: Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Cor6:9-10 


But the Pastor says that ONLY the Sin of 'unbelief will keep them out of the Kingdom and Nothing in Scripture says that a person must TURN from their sins to be Saved. (or do anything) So they Shoot the Messenger and blame the victim for issuing the complaint instead of 'praying about it. So if they Continue under this kind of Counseling (the programs, classes, seminars) WHAT will be the result? The CYCLE will also Continue, as we are witnessing daily in the Professing Churches and the people ensnared by them 'Trapped in never-ending Cycles of Abuse! As their own Web Site testifies of people Crying out for deliverance from domestic violence, drunken spouses, child molesting Sunday school teachers, homosexuality activity in their midst, husbands who treat their wives like personal slaves, man-handle their children, commit acts of incest and frequent infidelity. The list goes on and on, and the 'advice remains the same, bear with them, pray God will effect a repentance, seek more counseling, get into a program.

So the Victim gets the brunt of the abuse and the BLAME for wanting to escape it! While the abuser gets handled with kid gloves by their pretense of belief in Christ and the delusion of their counselors who fear demanding anything lest they overstep the bounds of 'Christian decorum. BUT what can anyone in the System really do about all this, since they FAIL to recognize its their own Message that has brought it about. They're ALL under the LIE, 'Saved in their sins' to one extent or another. The 'Counselors are dealing with their own addictions, worldliness, un-Christian dispositions, anger, sinful thoughts. Their 'Righteousness is the SAME CLOAK as the 'addicted they minister to, its all Filthy Rags, even at its best, they're still 'sinners saved by grace. So its one sinner telling another sinner (perhaps worse off) where to get bread. The Church is a Hospital for the addicted, a Sin management Center, where no one is cured, but its always business as usual. (full of gossip, slander, back-biting, dissensions and duplicity)


The Scripture says DO NOT BE DECEIVED, the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom. But they say 'no one is righteous and anyone who claims to be is Self-righteous. Simply the Bible teaches that 'He who DOES what is Right is Righteous, he who sins is of the devil' 1Jh3:5-7, but in a System where they are taught 24/7 that if they say they have 'no sin, they are liars with no truth in them, Simply DOING what is RIGHT (by abstaining from all forms of evil) is suspect of Pharisaical Pride. So they cannot use the Scriptures as their bases of truth for Counseling because it plainly condemns the evil: 'Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Eph5:6-7


ALL the 'THINGS that are Common place among the Professed ranks, including the Counselors, are said to Disqualify a person from the Kingdom:
'But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Eph5:3-5 (they can't imagine a world without them!)

YET these are the THINGS, our above Counselor said that a person DOESN'T have to stop in order to get saved. 'We are not Saved by what we DO, but by what's already been DONE for us! The 'DONE Message is WHY the Sin NEVER Stops and why they all remain in their Great darkness. Until that Changes and there's a fundamental shift in their understanding of Repentance and Salvation, all their rhetoric is on sinking sand and will ultimately end in failure.

Sound Counseling begins with Sound Doctrine, free from any Mixture of error. You can't Pacify the sin out of someone with vain promises of peace, peace when there is no peace. It's ONLY when Sin is forsaken, put away, Crucified in Repentance once and for all that God's Mercy and Grace will be granted.


He who Covers his sins shall not prosper but whoever Confesses and forsakes them will find Mercy' Prov28:13 

Seek the Lord while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, 
 And the unrighteous man his thoughts;  Let him return to  the Lord, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. Isa55:6-7


Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up. James4:8-10


Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. James1:21


Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, Col3:5-6


And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. Eph5:11-12


Those of you who have gone to 'Christian Counseling, have you ever heard ANY of these passages given as Sound advice for the well being of your soul. Not Likely. And WHY? Simply because the System your in DOESN'T believe they are associated with Salvation. Do they ever 'EXPOSE the unfruitful works of darkness in your midst? Bring the Molesters to Justice, reprove the oppressors, rebuke the evil doers in the present of all that others may fear! NEVER! Rather they appease and coddle them and make their Victims feel like trash! BUT the real trash are those standing in the Pulpits across our land allowing this to continue unabated under their noses. Gutless wonders who would rather let the victims suffer than CALL out the Wicked and expose them for what they are. Cowards everyone!  No one in their sins  (in the VERY act of sin!) should be given any assurance whatsoever they are on Safe ground with God, or that He's 'standing by waiting for the right opportunity to effect repentance in them. People who Commit such sins as we described are NOT Christians! It's MOOT whether or not they have ever been 'Saved to begin with, not worth discussing. Someone who has NEVER Stoped Sinning could have never received Mercy or Grace from God, because repentance comes BEFORE Remission! (Eph1:7, Col1:11) TURNING from sin is Your CHOICE, God is already convicting the world of sin, righteousness and Judgment to come through the Holy Spirit. The Preparation of the heart belongs to YOU, all the counseling required is staring you in the face, the next Step is yours to take.


Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;  Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil,  Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, Says the Lord, Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land;  But if you refuse and rebel, You shall be devoured by the sword; For the mouth of the Lord has spoken. Isa 1:16-20


My Final Word to you so-called 'Christian Counselors and Pastors out there wadding in the Filth and toying with useless advice:


Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame. 1Cor15:34


To the hapless Victims of this mess I say Stand fast in the Lord, be assured of His abiding love and also be assured that He will vindicate your cause. Know that its He searches the heart and tests the mind and gives to every man according to his Ways and the fruit of his Doings. No one escapes the ultimate consequences of their actions. They may seem to get by with it for a while, as Judgment is delayed, but when final accounts come due the wages of their sins will be paid in full in weeping and gashing of teeth.  The Lord knows those who are His and will not forsake His faithful ones.


Turn from evil and do good; then you will dwell in the land forever. For the Lord loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed the offspring of the wicked will perish. The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever. Ps37:27-29